Legislature(1999 - 2000)

04/20/2000 09:10 AM House FIN

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CS FOR SENATE BILL NO. 289(FIN) am                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
An Act relating to technical and vocational education                                                                           
and to employment assistance and training; and                                                                                  
providing for an effective date.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MARY JACKSON, STAFF, SENATOR JOHN TORGERSON, explained that                                                                     
the bill would establish a new Alaska Technical and                                                                             
Vocational Education Program, which would be funded through                                                                     
an employee credit on the Unemployment Insurance Trust Fund.                                                                    
The new credit is one-tenth of one percent and is patterned                                                                     
after the credit currently in place for the Statewide                                                                           
Employment Program (STEP).                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
The new program would be administered by the existing Alaska                                                                    
Human Resource Investment Council (AHRIC), which is charged                                                                     
with the responsibility of determining the priorities for                                                                       
grant submittal and distributions on an annual basis.  The                                                                      
revenue from that source is expected to be about $4.3                                                                           
million annually.  Entities eligible to receive grants are                                                                      
those that are authorized by and are physically located in                                                                      
the State of Alaska.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
The first year revenues (about $3.2 million dollars) are                                                                        
directed to specific entities because the AHRIC would not                                                                       
have had the opportunity to formulate regulations to solicit                                                                    
grant applications.   Those funds are directed to the                                                                           
University of Alaska (52% = $1.725 million), Kotzebue                                                                           
Technical Center (16% =$516,000) and Alaska Vocational                                                                          
Technical Center (32% = $1.032 million).                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Jackson continued, the bill would also provide for the                                                                      
AHRIC to act as the lead State planning and coordinating                                                                        
entity for Alaska.  The State would then be in position to                                                                      
receive funds from the federal government for technical and                                                                     
vocational education programs.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
After the first year, grants would be awarded to programs in                                                                    
Alaska run by technical and vocational entities that hold                                                                       
valid authorization to operate.  The AHRIC will award grants                                                                    
to entities that have sufficient accounting systems, secured                                                                    
private sector contribution commitments for matching                                                                            
purposes, and who's grant application purpose is listed                                                                         
first on the list of priorities adopted by the AHRIC.  AHRIC                                                                    
will adopt a priority list each year based on economic,                                                                         
employment, and other relevant data in order to maximize                                                                        
employment opportunities for participants.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Jackson pointed out that the bill would establish intent                                                                    
language directing the AHRIC to undergo an internal review                                                                      
to improve its efficiency and minimize its membership.  It                                                                      
would require a report to the 22nd Legislature on that review                                                                   
and also on the developed guidelines for implementing the                                                                       
new grant program.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Jackson stated that the bill would revise some program                                                                      
elements of the existing STEP by adding clarifying language                                                                     
on grant fund use for relocation assistance, tools and other                                                                    
gear, and support services, including allowances.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative J. Davies referenced the diagram contained in                                                                    
member's packets indicating .2% - Attachment #1 and asked                                                                       
how that number had been determined.  [Copy on File].                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Jackson noted that the account was established on Page                                                                      
3; Page 30 indicates establishment of the employee                                                                              
contribution; Page 4 contains the same verbiage that is in                                                                      
the existing State Training Employment Program (STEP) where                                                                     
the 2/10th was established.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Vice Chair Bunde referenced the current STEP funding and                                                                        
asked if that referred to the current amount that the                                                                           
employee and employer were having deducted.  Ms. Jackson                                                                        
replied those are the current averages.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
(TAPE CHANGE, HFC 00 - 130, Side 2).                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Jackson explained that it would not increase the                                                                            
deductions.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Representative Phillips inquired if the sponsor had an                                                                          
amount in mind for the Intent Language in Section #1.  Ms.                                                                      
Jackson stated that they did not.  She noted that the first                                                                     
board was a stand alone, five-person board.  The Legislature                                                                    
appointed it through the Governor and is subject to                                                                             
ratification.  The Senate Finance Committee (SFC) decided to                                                                    
go with the existing group, however, she commented since the                                                                    
membership is so large, there should be common provisions                                                                       
put into effect.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Jackson referenced the Alaska Human Resource Investment                                                                     
Council (AHRIC) and noted that grants after the first year                                                                      
would be awarded according to regulations developed by                                                                          
AHRIC.  The revenue from that source is expected to be about                                                                    
$8.6 million dollars annually.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
TIM NAVARRE, (TESTIFIED VIA TELECONFERENCE), KENAI,                                                                             
testified in support of the legislation.  He noted that it                                                                      
would provide a better-trained and educated work force from                                                                     
which to draw upon as an employer.  Potentially, that could                                                                     
reduce the draw on the trust fund for unemployment.  Mr.                                                                        
Navarre suggested that there would be concerns regarding                                                                        
future increases.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
DWIGHT PERKINS, DEPUTY COMMISSIONER, DEPARTMENT OF LABOR AND                                                                    
WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT, noted the position paper included in                                                                     
members packets as submitted by Commissioner Flanagan. [Copy                                                                    
on File].                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Perkins advised that the Department strongly supports                                                                       
the intent of the bill, however, are opposed to the                                                                             
diversion of funds from the Unemployment (UI) Trust fund to                                                                     
achieve that goal.  The Department is not opposed to some                                                                       
sort of tax to support vocational technology education.  It                                                                     
is true that there is currently a diversion of .1% of                                                                           
employed UI contributions in the STEP, which was established                                                                    
in legislation in 1989.  STEP, however, is closely tied to                                                                      
the UI program; eligibility for service is restricted to                                                                        
workers who have contributed to UI by working for a                                                                             
contributing employer; the statutory purpose of the program                                                                     
is to reduce claims against unemployment benefits and reduce                                                                    
unemployment costs.  When not reappropriated to the STEP                                                                        
account, unexpended funds have always been deposited back                                                                       
into the corpus of the UI Trust Fund.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Representative Phillips asked if any of the UI funds were                                                                       
used for relief sent to Bristol Bay a couple years ago.  Mr.                                                                    
Perkins replied that those funds were not sent directly from                                                                    
the Trust Fund.  He pointed out that there are large                                                                            
unemployment pockets having a need and it becomes an                                                                            
infusion of funds into those communities.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Vice Chair Bunde commented that the STEP draw was for those                                                                     
people whom had paid into the UI program and had become                                                                         
unemployed.  He proposed that using that money to train                                                                         
people would help prevent future danger of unemployment.                                                                        
Representative Bunde suggested that it was a type of "user                                                                      
fee".  Mr. Perkins replied that, currently, in order to                                                                         
qualify for STEP funds, only private employers pay into it.                                                                     
Many folks would not be eligible for those funds.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
In response to Co-Chair Therriault, Mr. Perkins noted that                                                                      
Alaska is one of five states in which the employee                                                                              
participates in the unemployment insurance side of the                                                                          
equation.  In Alaska, it is referred to as a 20/80 plan. The                                                                    
employee pays 20% and the employer pay 80%.  If there were                                                                      
an increase in the weekly benefit amount, the corpus of the                                                                     
fund would need to be made up.  The concern is if the corpus                                                                    
of the fund begins to draw down, and if the employer side of                                                                    
the equation increases, would they be interested in an                                                                          
increased weekly benefit amount.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
RON HALL, DEPUTY DIRECTOR, EMPLOYMENT SECURITY DIVISION,                                                                        
DEPARTMENT OF LABOR AND WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT, replied to                                                                       
questions asked by Representative G. Davis.  He noted that                                                                      
that the chart represents a reversed axle and would not                                                                         
originate from the trust fund.  The bill would not add an                                                                       
additional deduction into the employee paycheck, but                                                                            
instead, the corpus would drop.  To recover those funds, the                                                                    
tax rate of the employers would have to increase. The                                                                           
employers are responsible to pay for this increase.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Mulder asked the amount of money currently in the                                                                      
fund.  Mr. Hall replied that in October 1999, there was $211                                                                    
million dollars.  Co-Chair Mulder asked the percentage of                                                                       
solvency.  Mr. Hall explained that it would take about two                                                                      
years for the formula to set in.  The formula reacts over a                                                                     
three-year cycle and if there is a large economic down pour,                                                                    
the solvency rate could drop fast.  It takes two to three                                                                       
cycles for that to happen.  The solvency rate formula is                                                                        
established by a federal standard.  Right now the State is                                                                      
at .98% of that standard.  He added that we should be at 1%                                                                     
of the standard.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Mulder believed that was a healthy number.  Mr.                                                                        
Hall explained that if the State dropped to .8%, there would                                                                    
be sanctions imposed.  Co-Chair Mulder asked at what level                                                                      
could a tax be imposed.  Mr. Hall replied that the proposed                                                                     
legislation would impose a tax to the employer.  It would                                                                       
take two years for that to occur.  Co-Chair Mulder asked                                                                        
what could trigger a tax.  Mr. Perkins interjected that a                                                                       
draw down could happen.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
TOM WYLIE, ACTUARY, UNEMPLOYMENT INSURANCE TRUST FUND,                                                                          
DEPARTMENT OF LABOR AND WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT, noted that                                                                       
there are two parts of the calculation of the UI tax rates.                                                                     
The first part looks at benefit costs in relation to                                                                            
payroll. That provides a certain percentage which is called                                                                     
the "average benefit cost rate".  That is the percentage                                                                        
rate which is divided between the employer and the employee                                                                     
and provides the 2.14% and .54% number.  After that                                                                             
calculation is done, then the tax rate calculation looks at                                                                     
the amount of money and calculates according to a solvency                                                                      
rate schedule whether the fund appears to be in good or bad                                                                     
shape in comparison to the statewide payroll.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
In response to Co-Chair Mulder's question as to when the                                                                        
trust fund becomes solvent, Mr. Wylie noted that is the                                                                         
stage where the trust fund is looked at.  When the amount of                                                                    
money in the UI Trust Fund falls below 3% of taxable total                                                                      
payroll in the State, then a tax is added on to the                                                                             
employers tax rate.  If the Trust fund balance falls below                                                                      
3.3% of total payroll in the State, it is considered more                                                                       
solvent than it needs to be and the employers tax rate is                                                                       
reduced by the solvency adjustment.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Mulder inquired about applying that concept to                                                                         
today.  Mr. Wylie replied that today, the trust fund is at                                                                      
approximately 3.15%, which is a bit higher than it needs to                                                                     
be.  Discussion followed between Mr. Wylie and Co-Chair                                                                         
Mulder regarding the solvency percentage.  Mr. Wylie noted                                                                      
that the calculation states that if the Trust Fund solvency                                                                     
is between 3%-3.3% of payroll, it is okay and we would not                                                                      
need a tax.  He noted that the State is currently at 3.15%.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Mulder asked what the 3% would constitute.  Mr.                                                                        
Wylie replied that 3% of total payroll tends to be right                                                                        
around $200 million dollars.  That changes during the course                                                                    
of the year and during the winter months when unemployment                                                                      
rates are higher.  For tax rate purposes, the State looks at                                                                    
the Trust Fund balances at the end of September.  This is a                                                                     
State standard and added that there is no national standard                                                                     
compared to the Alaska standard.  All the states have a                                                                         
different way to set solvency.  The tax rate moves based on                                                                     
the assumption of whether it is a good rate or not.  The                                                                        
federal government has a solvency rate which they call an                                                                       
average high cost multiplier.  That calculation is applied                                                                      
to every state.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
In response to Co-Chair Mulder, Mr. Wylie noted that the                                                                        
average high cost is 1%.  It is a different type of                                                                             
calculation than the one previously explained.  Co-Chair                                                                        
Mulder asked how would that translate to the State of                                                                           
Alaska's calculation.  Mr. Wylie replied that the federal                                                                       
calculation on our tax rate came out to .98, just under 1%,                                                                     
which is considered the proper average high cost multiplier                                                                     
that the federal government uses.  Co-Chair Mulder asked the                                                                    
flexibility.  Mr. Wylie replied that the federal government                                                                     
is not that complicated.  If a state is at 1% or above, they                                                                    
are okay and if below, they are not. He reiterated that                                                                         
above is good, below is not.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JIM SAMSON, (TESTIFIED VIA TELECONFERENCE),  FAIRBANKS,                                                                         
spoke in opposition to the legislation.  He noted that he                                                                       
had the responsibility of distributing the Unemployment                                                                         
Trust Fund in 1986-1987, during the lowest point in the                                                                         
account.  He stated that the Trust Fund should not be used                                                                      
to pay for the programs outlined in SB 289.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Samson noted that he supported adequate funding for the                                                                     
Tech Center and full funding for the University, however,                                                                       
disagreed that the funding should come out of the Trust Fund                                                                    
that was set up to pay benefits to workers during temporary                                                                     
unemployment.  He understood that by taking 2/10 of 1%, and                                                                     
diverting it into another fund would be unfair to every                                                                         
Alaskan employee.  He stressed that the burden would not be                                                                     
fairly distributed by that method of tax.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
WENDY REDMAN, VICE PRESIDENT, STATEWIDE SERVICES, UNIVERSITY                                                                    
OF ALASKA, FAIRBANKS, voiced support for the proposed                                                                           
legislation.  She acknowledged that an alternative source of                                                                    
funding would be better.  Ms. Redman noted that since the                                                                       
State general fund should be supportive of all training                                                                         
programs, the State should keep people employed.  Given that                                                                    
the State is not at that place yet, one of the best things                                                                      
that the State could do is to provide training to people to                                                                     
be better able to hold jobs. Given the last decade of flat                                                                      
funding for vocational programs throughout the State, the                                                                       
University is in trouble trying to respond to the current                                                                       
training needs existing in Alaska.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Redman explained that there has not been a capital                                                                          
appropriation for instructional equipment in almost a                                                                           
decade.  In trying to respond to some of the high tech                                                                          
programs needed throughout the State, there is not enough                                                                       
money to make the up-front investment.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CS SB 259 (JUD) was HELD in Committee for further                                                                               
consideration.                                                                                                                  

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